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Olly13

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Re: Newbie with Low T
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2017, 09:08:32 PM »
I came to that conclusion a while back. Thatís why I self-medicate.

While I don't condone self medicating at all; I full understand. I was nearly at that point myself 17 months ago, I had two choices, ring Dr Savage, or click order on some iffy website. I chose the former, fortunately for the better.

It shouldn't be like this though, especially not when the other gender can walk into anywhere and be prescribed a hormonal contraceptive for example, and those have actually been shown to do real damage, unlike responsible  doses of testosterone.

It really does now look like the Testogel didn't just not do much, it didn't actually do anything!!

If I'd had LH and FSH tested in August and October when I had the blood tests this fact may have been discovered much earlier. It certainly explains why I have felt so bad for so long. Anyway I suppose there is no point dwelling on the past. I'm not on Testogel any more, I'm on nebido now, so I am very intrigued to see what the next blood test shows, which I will have on the day I have the next injection (6 weeks after the first). I'm going to check then they are testing LH and FSH as well as Testosterone. I've still not had oestradiol checked on any of the blood tests so I shall remind them about that too, in case I'm converting too much testosterone. I'm now 2 weeks since the first jab and there's certainly no sign of any positive changes yet, but I know I have to be patient.

I do indeed share other's frustration with the NHS in dealing with hypogonadism. I have come to the conclusion no one else is going to sort my hypogonadism out for me, I need to sort it out myself! Thanks guys for your input and advice, I appreciate you taking the time. There is far more knowledge on this forum than I have got from the NHS.


Yeah don't dwell, it won't change the time already wasted, it'll just prolong the pain of knowing so.

I wouldn't even bother getting LH and FSH tested from hear on out, it'll no doubt confuse the nurse as to why it's now zero, and probably cause consideration for cessation of therapy. Save yourself aggro.

Besides getting oestradiol tested is far more important in my opinion,  As is keeping an eye on RBC.

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Re: Newbie with Low T
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2017, 09:28:15 PM »
While I don't condone self medicating at all; I full understand.

For most people I wouldnít condone it either. Itís certainly not something you should try unless you know exactly what you are doing, the possible consequences and side effects, how the medications work etc. I do know all that stuff, so Iím OK with it, but for the average person that comes on here asking for advice, it wouldnít be wise at all.

Olly13

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Re: Newbie with Low T
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2017, 10:24:20 PM »
For most people I wouldnít condone it either. Itís certainly not something you should try unless you know exactly what you are doing, the possible consequences and side effects, how the medications work etc. I do know all that stuff, so Iím OK with it, but for the average person that comes on here asking for advice, it wouldnít be wise at all.

Agreed.

My other issue with self medicating is the long term viability of sourcing and the quality of what is being put into the body.

I still totally get it though, and if I was faced with the choice of nothing or 'something' I know what I'd pick.

It's good to have issues like this broadcast, it shows how messed up the system is which ideas like this have to be used in desperation.

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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2017, 10:41:44 PM »
My other issue with self medicating is the long term viability of sourcing and the quality of what is being put into the body.

This is very true. I have been doing this for just over a year now, and at the moment I am self-medicating only so I can try lots of different things and see what works best. I donít know what my TRT is going to look like long term. I think Iíve worked out that clomid works best for me, and I am therefore pursuing this through the NHS. Had I found that injections were the best idea, I would have asked my endo for that instead. The objective is to be able to get what I want long term from the NHS. Having to rely on steroid sources for TRT long term sounds like a nightmare.
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Re: Newbie with Low T
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2017, 11:02:10 AM »
I'd like to hark back to Ollie's earlier comment:

"I wouldn't even bother getting LH and FSH tested from hear on out, it'll no doubt confuse the nurse as to why it's now zero, and probably cause consideration for cessation of therapy."

Not sure which member of the forum it was, but this actually happened to someone. During their earlier months of therapy the endo ran a blood test and was shocked to find their LH and FSH had plummeted. I'm sure it resulted in the doctor stopping therapy. Sounds crazy but stuff like Ollie said does happen.

I'm one of the few on here who had testicular cancer. It took me well over a year to get therapy even with values of less than <4nmols/L. It was my GP who overruled the specialists in my case. He said your levels are low and continue to fall test-upon-test, so let's get you well again. So if it's difficult for a guy with one gonad to get therapy it's no surprise to me why guys with two have twice as much difficulty.

Craig
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Olly13

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Re: Newbie with Low T
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2017, 12:21:15 PM »
I'd like to hark back to Ollie's earlier comment:

"I wouldn't even bother getting LH and FSH tested from hear on out, it'll no doubt confuse the nurse as to why it's now zero, and probably cause consideration for cessation of therapy."

Not sure which member of the forum it was, but this actually happened to someone. During their earlier months of therapy the endo ran a blood test and was shocked to find their LH and FSH had plummeted. I'm sure it resulted in the doctor stopping therapy. Sounds crazy but stuff like Ollie said does happen.

I'm one of the few on here who had testicular cancer. It took me well over a year to get therapy even with values of less than <4nmols/L. It was my GP who overruled the specialists in my case. He said your levels are low and continue to fall test-upon-test, so let's get you well again.

Craig

Crazy isnt it?

Shouldn't be like this, by now you'd think it would be common knowledge within the Endocrinology community, that TRT lowers LH and FSH, i've had 2 endocrinologists argue that TRT wont affect LH and FSH. Stuff like this winds me up no end.

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« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2017, 03:00:41 PM »
It's now 3 weeks since my first Nebido injection so I'm half way until the next one. It's 2 weeks since I last took a sertraline tablet so hopefully that will now be out of my system.

The things I've noticed in the last week are: (apologies in advance for discussion of willys and semen!!)

1. An occasional woody late in the night. Not every morning but certainly more than I've been having in recent months. It could just be coincidence, so I'll only know for certain if they continue over a period of time.

2. I've not been feeling quite as tired or lacking in energy the last few days. Again this could be coincidence. Time will tell.

3. A reduction in semen volume.  I know TRT is meant to reduce the amount and quality of sperm, but the reduction in the last week has been quite noticeable, I would say about half the volume of usual. Again this may be down to something else and not the nebido. Have others noticed a reduction when on TRT? I'm not bothered by this (if indeed it is caused by nebido) as I'm not looking to become a father.

While we're on the subject of willys I do have one other question. I have for several months had an issue with dryness and a lack of sensitivity. Basically my bellend is constantly dry and has lost loads of sensitivity. I did read somewhere something about genital numbness being a symptom of low testosterone, so I'm assuming this is the cause for me. Does this ring true with others? I've also had dry skin on my face and scalp for a while too. I'm assuming my sebaceous glands are not working as hard as usual due to my low T. I usually drink 2 litres of water a day so that should be enough to hydrate my body.
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Re: Newbie with Low T
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2017, 10:30:42 PM »
It's now 3 weeks since my first Nebido injection so I'm half way until the next one. It's 2 weeks since I last took a sertraline tablet so hopefully that will now be out of my system.

The things I've noticed in the last week are: (apologies in advance for discussion of willys and semen!!)

1. An occasional woody late in the night. Not every morning but certainly more than I've been having in recent months. It could just be coincidence, so I'll only know for certain if they continue over a period of time.

2. I've not been feeling quite as tired or lacking in energy the last few days. Again this could be coincidence. Time will tell.

3. A reduction in semen volume.  I know TRT is meant to reduce the amount and quality of sperm, but the reduction in the last week has been quite noticeable, I would say about half the volume of usual. Again this may be down to something else and not the nebido. Have others noticed a reduction when on TRT? I'm not bothered by this (if indeed it is caused by nebido) as I'm not looking to become a father.

While we're on the subject of willys I do have one other question. I have for several months had an issue with dryness and a lack of sensitivity. Basically my bellend is constantly dry and has lost loads of sensitivity. I did read somewhere something about genital numbness being a symptom of low testosterone, so I'm assuming this is the cause for me. Does this ring true with others? I've also had dry skin on my face and scalp for a while too. I'm assuming my sebaceous glands are not working as hard as usual due to my low T. I usually drink 2 litres of water a day so that should be enough to hydrate my body.

I can relate to a lot of this, and from my experience all seems quite normal too.

The reduction in "volume" is a complicated one, I had this when I stared, however it then went the other way and it's now a lot more than before TRT (Kind of an inconvenience tbh), the thing is even without LH which stimulate the Testicles, we still have seminal vesicles and the prostate, the testicles only produce about 2-5% of semen volume.

(Nick/Craig if you read this, did either of you notice a "change" after you had a orchiectomy?

I know supplementing Zinc can help, I do this and  anecdotally from others it seems to help volume, I don't know the science behind it, so you'll have to be your own guinea-pig I'm afraid.

Another thing worth noting is the consistency might well change too, I found mine to "change" and After a quick Google it seems I'm not the only one either.

Regarding the skin you'll find it'll improve full stop, including your aforementioned "end" haha.

In general my skin is far less dry, so the condition of it has naturally improved due to it being more oilily, can cause a couple of spots here and there though.

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P.s. 2L of water isn't all that much, unless that's not including everything else?

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Re: Newbie with Low T
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2017, 06:57:11 PM »
Hi guys. Interesting topic. I haven't got much time but I'll briefly reply to Ollie's question. The answer is a big NO. TRT has definitely resulted in absolute sterility for me and has done so for years now.
However, the orchiectomy AKA 'the sawing off of a testicle' never really caused any noticeable decrease in ejaculate. I've said before on this forum that my lady's face looks like a plasterer's radio after I finish.

The thing I'd say is this: if you're having sex more than twice a week or knocking one out two or three times a week your levels probably won't amount to much. However, keeping your paws off the old man (if you're single) or depriving yourself of sex with your lady or same-sex partner for a week will usually result in an increase in volume and a more pronounced and intense orgasm. No joke...I have it once a week and I could fill a skip.

There are supplements you can try that will bring varying levels of success...

Merry Christmas to you all!
Craig