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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2017, 11:03:54 AM »
You concerned about your Red blood cell count at all mate?

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« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2017, 12:47:19 PM »
You concerned about your Red blood cell count at all mate?

It was higher, so with the knowledge that it's actually now a tad lower and not rising/stabilized for now then i'm cool with That, in my brain I have this alarm bell of anything over 50% being an issue. to be fair I had a look at the BSSM guidelines the other day for something else and stumbled across this, "Keep the Hematocrit below 52-55%" it also talks about keeping an eye on over 50% (48% if history of thrombosis) and also mentions keeping it all under 53%.. clear as mud, and we all wonder why Dr's don't feel comfortable with TRT, this sort of thing doesn't help the slightest.

If it was still actually rising then absolutely yes i'd be very concerned, Plus Dr Savage seems fine about it so far, hasnt mentioned he's worried or anything.

Also worth noting, Athletes who compete have to keep below 50% hematocrit to stop it becoming an unfair advantage due to athletes who abuse Erythropoietin (EPO), hence how silly cyclists drop dead when doping... its normally because the hematocrit hits 60%+ though, dangerous stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_doping#Erythropoietin
http://www.pnas.org/content/107/1/419.full

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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2017, 07:56:51 PM »
Nice T/E numbers. I am on same dose as you but taken slightly different (I take 1ml E10D). Do you find you lose any of the solution splitting the dose up, is it always 0.5ml each time smack on?

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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2017, 08:34:24 PM »
Nice T/E numbers. I am on same dose as you but taken slightly different (I take 1ml E10D). Do you find you lose any of the solution splitting the dose up, is it always 0.5ml each time smack on?

Thanks! :)

No I don't lose any if I'm careful, I literally split it exact as this sort of stuff messes with my OCD something silly.  😂🙄

When I inject I leave a little air in just enough to push out all the oil but no air, only works if injected downwards, easy enough though.

Have you had your Bloods done yet? :)

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« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2017, 09:01:27 PM »
Thank you for tips that is good to hear the dose can be split accurately without loss.

I am due to have some blood work in coming weeks, need to go to gp and get it booked in. I suspect my trough is between 15-20nmol on day 10.

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« Reply #80 on: June 12, 2017, 09:04:27 PM »
Thank you for tips that is good to hear the dose can be split accurately without loss.

I am due to have some blood work in coming weeks, need to go to gp and get it booked in. I suspect my trough is between 15-20nmol on day 10.

No worries :)

I would assume so too, that would make the most sense, have you ever had your SHBG taken? That can be a good indication of where it'll end up.

Guessing things are working well for you then?

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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #81 on: June 12, 2017, 09:32:36 PM »
I have a few concerns about estrogen as I am over weight (have lost about a stone but still another 2 to go or so). Generally I feel much better though I am struggling with hayfever at moment so feel a bit not very good. I may switch to E5D depending on outcome of next round of blood tests.

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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2017, 09:56:27 PM »
I have a few concerns about estrogen as I am over weight (have lost about a stone but still another 2 to go or so). Generally I feel much better though I am struggling with hayfever at moment so feel a bit not very good. I may switch to E5D depending on outcome of next round of blood tests.

Good to hear.

Always best to keep onto of Estrogen especially on a higher dose and if over weight then best to check as it can become a catch 22. well done for losing a Stone though, that's awesome, I imagine TRT has helped a little in that regard no doubt.

I have allergies as well so I feel your pain haha,  I'm on Fexofenadine all year round. Apparently I'm allergic to dust mites among other things, can't really avoid the damn little things either!

Switching to shorter intervals I think is always a smart move personally, as it means lower peaks and higher troughs, so less room for extreme roller-coaster stuff and side effects, generally splitting causes a little less aromatization from what others have reported also logically it makes sense too. Very personal thing though, the downfall is obviously the extra injecting. :)

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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #83 on: June 27, 2017, 04:08:03 PM »
Right... So.. I've just got my blood pressure checked at my local pharmacy, like I said I might and it's come back at 135/45, yes you read that correctly 135 over 45.

Now I see I've got slightly high systolic but I'm currently
quite stressed etc so half expected it, but it's honestly not that bad, considering my RBC and all. The worry is the diastolic 45 is VERY strange, the poor chemist checked twice and then checked with senior staff, never seen anything like it apparently, and said if you get any dizziness then get it checked out if not don't worry.

Anyway my question is, how many of you guys on here who workout have this going on? as I'm actually convinced it might not be TRT related per say, as it could actually be 'athletes heart' or something else, from doing a quick google it seems that mild isolated diastolic hypotension is common in people who train a lot, but my diastolic is still very low in comparison. For reference I train at least 6 hours per week, often more, And my resting heart rate is 60-65 bpm.

Before anyone asks, yes I get very mild dizzy spells on the odd occasion, normally when stressed (anxiety) and standing still for lengthy periods triggers it, any other point I'm all good. I can still function just fine.

So yeah if anyone else who's into fitness has this oddity then let me know? :)
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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2017, 08:32:11 PM »
Olly do you get very thirsty since being on TRT?

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« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2017, 09:03:09 PM »
Olly do you get very thirsty since being on TRT?

No, I'm just very thirsty full stop, always have been, worse since I discovered my love for fitness a few years back. No underlying causes for me as far as I'm aware.

What makes you ask? :) 

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« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2017, 10:11:34 PM »
I seem to be really thirsty all the time. I had bad habits of not drinking enough water in past but since starting trt I need to drink or I feel really light headed. In past I could get away with it but don't seem to now.

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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2017, 07:50:54 PM »
Hi
I just want to be a bit nosey here...  how is your treatment provided, are you going all through the private clinic with Dr Savage or is the NHS doing some of it or what?   If private what does it cost for the ongoing Sustatnon and whatnot?

Just wondering about a switch from gels to injections really.  I already tried Nebido years ago which I didn't get on with at all.    It seems like the guys on injections get a better sense of welbeing. 

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« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2017, 07:31:06 PM »
Hi
I just want to be a bit nosey here...  how is your treatment provided, are you going all through the private clinic with Dr Savage or is the NHS doing some of it or what?   If private what does it cost for the ongoing Sustatnon and whatnot?

Just wondering about a switch from gels to injections really.  I already tried Nebido years ago which I didn't get on with at all.    It seems like the guys on injections get a better sense of welbeing.

Heyy,

Yeah I'm Under the care of Dr Savage, initially I went to him since I couldnt get to see an endocrinologist for 8-9 months and every GP I saw just fobbed me off, apart from one but still wouldnt prescribe, So I then went to Dr S, I took all my bloods previously taken, he confirmed the obvious and prescribed me Sustanon that same day, he also gave me my first jab in office, He told me he'd write to My GP (the one who sorta understood but not quite) and explain what he's found etc, that i've been prescribed Sustanon and Dr Savages "CV" as he calls it so the letter would be taken seriously.

So initially I was getting the Sustanon totally privately, it cost Around 3 per ampule, so actually quite bearable cost wise, About a month or so in, I got a frantic first thing in the morning phone call from my GP (which woke me up embarrassingly!) so dazed as I was, my GP Surprised id jumped hoops to do this, explained which he is happy to prescribe and provide blood tests with Dr Savage acting as the "Consultant", it also helped which they went to Med School together apparently... but whatever, the letter worked and totally changed the situation around.

Which reminds me, it's nearly been a year on TRT, I'll probably update with a "1 year on TRT" or something, plus I assume I need to see Dr Savage for a 'follow up' at some point soon.

With Regards to the sense of wellbeing, you'll hate this, but well... it depends, the reason I say this is for some people gels work better, Sustanon for others and the odd 'few' who are perfectly happy on nebido, as Nick has said many times before one size does not fit all. I however personally think Sustanon is slightly superior to other forms of TRT at this current time if you can self inject, my reason for saying this is there is simply way less mess then gels, no issues with variable absorption and less inconvenience every morning too. In comparison to nebido you'll get less of that rollercoaster effect going on due to a more constant level, especially if the dose is split, E2 is presumably a little easier to manage too with Sustanon again because of a smaller peak and trough compared to nebido, and finally there is a little more wiggle room for Titration with Sustanon than Nebido, since the dose of Nebido isn't allowed to be titrated apparently, apart from the intervals obviously.

All I can say is if you have got a curiosity that you're better of on Sustanon then i'd explore it if you can, you can always revert back if it doesn't work, you're obviously not totally settled with what form of TRT you are on or you wouldnt be questioning the idea. :)

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Re: Sustanon 250 TRT Log/Diary Olly13
« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2017, 01:46:54 PM »
Heyy,

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All I can say is if you have got a curiosity that you're better of on Sustanon then i'd explore it if you can, you can always revert back if it doesn't work, you're obviously not totally settled with what form of TRT you are on or you wouldnt be questioning the idea. :)
Hey :)
3 per ampule using 4 a month I guess?  That is quite affordable.

Yeah it is curiosity more than anything as I've been on the gels for years - I don't perceive many downsides but I just wondered if I might be better on injections.
I tried Nebido and I really don't rate it much.  There are guys on other forums that swear by it but even they admit that it does take 5 or 6 injections to reach a steady state - given the injections are anywhere from 8 to 14 weeks apart you are looking at a year to get on the level. Plus it is a large 4ml injection that can only be given by a nurse.

I'm kind of stuck at the moment as the GP won't change my treatment without specialist say so - which I completely respect and understand the reasons why. The problem is the local endo sucks ass, I ditched the endo clinic a couple of years back now, so I have no desire to get referred back.  They don't listen, they just test and treat the numbers on paper.   

So I was thinking maybe finding a private specialist to advise my GP on treatments might be the way to go.   From the NHS perspective Sustanon is a hell of a lot cheaper than Testogel.