Author Topic: Test Results - Do I need HRT or simply lose weight, become more active........?  (Read 1118 times)

Sham

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It is on the low side.

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Ah ok. Thanks
« Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 08:30:55 PM by traviswin »

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Something else I wanted to ask and that is Endo said HRT would have no affect on my fertility despite some saying here it may well do. He even put that in a letter to my GP.....

So who is right? Or does it simply vary per person? One would assume my fertility levels are very low anyway currently?

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Mine was lower but when they did the test where they injected me it shot up to normal range ...but it wasn't before that I still feel adrenal fatigue is at play

Sham

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Something else I wanted to ask and that is Endo said HRT would have no affect on my fertility despite some saying here it may well do. He even put that in a letter to my GP.....

So who is right? Or does it simply vary per person? One would assume my fertility levels are very low anyway currently?

TRT most definitely has a severe effect on fertility. I can’t believe your endo would not know that. You will pretty much stop producing sperm - the only realistic way to prevent that is by regularly injecting HCG or HMG. You do occasionally hear about pregnancies occurring though, so the infertility is not always 100%.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2017, 09:11:09 PM by Sham »

Sham

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Mine was lower but when they did the test where they injected me it shot up to normal range

Same here.

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TRT most definitely has a severe effect on fertility. I can’t believe your endo would not know that.

Well that's not good. I insisted about it as it had been discussed here prior but he kept saying I had nothing to worry about. Even as I said including this information in his letter to my GP.....

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Would it be right to assume my count is low anyway? Currently it's usually 3 days between ejaculation and when that happens there is little to write home about lets just say. Even after taking 15mg daily of Zinc!  :'(

Going to ask my GP for a fertility test. Would it be ok to start Testo-Gel now or wait until I've had my fertility test? I say that because it will take a while for the Testo-Gel to take full affect no?


* There is little about Testo-Gel etc affecting fertility on google it's mostly peoples comments in forums. Hmmmm it's as almost if they don't want us to know.....
« Last Edit: December 01, 2017, 05:36:51 PM by traviswin »

Sham

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You are probably low now, but only because you’ve had an injection of Nebido. You won’t have necessarily been low before that.

Any form of exogenous testosterone, be it gel or injections, will suppress your pituitary’s release of follicle stimulating hormone and luteinising hormone. If your testicles do not receive these hormones then they will stop producing testosterone AND sperm.

If you start the gel it will further reduce your fertility (and more so the longer you are on it), so with that knowledge it’s up to you if 1) you want to start, and 2) when you test your sperm.

If I was you, and fertility was important, I would forget about TRT for the timebeing and start clomid. Obviously your endo is not in agreement, so you would have three options 1) ask for a referral to UCLH, 2) go private, or 3) buy clomid online without prescription (it’s not difficult).

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My Endo said Clomid wouldn't be right for me. Add that to his adamant fertility comments....how the hell can someone who is a qualified specialist be so wrong? I just don't know who to trust anymore.......

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Really baffled by your endo’s comments! Did he say why “it wouldn’t be right”?

I would be looking for a second (professional) opinion if I were you. Just tell your GP that you have no confidence in your endo and see if you can be referred to see someone else.

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Yeh I was thinking of doing that. It will also be in a different borough as well as I can no longer travel to that hospital.

Oh and he said that Clomid wasn't the right thing for me to go on whatever that means. Then we got on to the infertility stuff.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210547/

The above study basically backs up everything Sham has said about TRT and fertility, you might as well look at is as the male contraceptive, seriously, I cant understand why Endos don't understand this, I also got told by an endo once that my fertility should be unaffected, I tried educating him on the issue, the endo was having none of it... Prat.

I still think Clomid Would be absolutely fine and work well, if it was me i'd ask for a referral to UCLH andrology in london, you can do this through your GP.

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Yeah. There are shed loads of evidence and always has been on the contraceptive properties of Testosterone. I've been using it since 2002 and "a me and a ma wife" have not used contraception for nearly ten years. My semen is as barren as Syberia. The NHS has reported on the usefulness of testosterone over the years. Here's a feature from 2016 with the study cited too:
https://www.nhs.uk/news/medication/male-contraceptive-jab-effective-but-side-effects-are-common/

Apparently, it's the acne, mood swings, and negative effects on libido that have been the main barriers to it being introduced. It's clear using progestogen with testosterone will have been the unnecessary and likely culprit for the acne, but why the need for progestogen at all? Maybe for the first six to eight months, it could be valid in bringing about earlier low fertility, but for the long term, I think its not needed. Well, from looking at from a laymen pov it isn't.

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To be honest I don't see myself being a parent in the near future. Not to mention I will probably be going to university in a few years. By that time I'm done I'll be in my early 40s. I'm not that bothered becoming a parent.

But I will request a fertility check with my GP and see how things are. Also get my Endo changed as well who is closer.

Question about testogel. Do you recommend any hand wash I could use? I use a basic one at the moment it kinda does the job but the smell lingers.

So far things seem to be ok. Needed a bit of a boost. Though the early morning erections continue - does that stop at some point??

Thanks.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 03:11:07 PM by traviswin »