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Doran

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I keep losing a testicle..
« on: October 06, 2017, 11:12:57 PM »
Heya guys.
I've been TRT for 4 months now.. (1ml sustanon each 3 weeks)..
And I've noticed that one bollock seems to have started hiding up inside me occasionally My partner also commented on this too.

Ive shrunk in testicle size a little bit..
Is this kinda normal?
I was expecting shrinkage, but not my ball rising..
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Just curious.
Ps, I'm from the​ UK so no E2 testing nor HCG available.

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Re: I keep losing a testicle..
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 09:58:05 AM »
Hey there Doran,

Yup, it's sadly part and parcel of being on TRT without HCG I'm afraid, as you alluded too HCG would resolve this, but to be fair has its own set of issues.

As you probably well know it's all to do with the signals (LH/FSH) from the pituitary to the nads getting shut down, because the pituitary suddenly gets the memo which you're giving the body exogenous (external) testosterone, so basically the Testicles go on a rather long holiday for also as they get no message to do anything.

I'm also on Sustanon, so have the same trouble, but to be totally honest after 13-14 months where I'm at now I've started to just not notice or care about the ball issues, mine have a tendency to raise up quite far during sex and also if it's extremely cold, otherwise apart from that they are higher than they were but not the end of the world, again I imagine you'll get used to it.

So yeah the shrinking at the going north thing are much part of the same problem.

I just try to tell myself they get in the way less haha. Plus let's be perfectly honest here don't you think it gives the illusion of 'extra size' if you know what I mean, given the ratio ends up changing somewhat.

Oh and oestradiol testing is in the UK, even if Dr's don't think it is, it's actually very important to monitor.

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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2017, 10:09:27 AM »
Same problem with itís me, was going to post to see if others had this issue but never got around to it.

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2017, 10:46:44 AM »
When I started on TRT mine shrank but they went squidgy first - that was very off putting.

Luckily they like to stay where they are

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2017, 11:32:15 AM »
Same here too. I had testicular cancer and a prosthetic testicle. The texture of the prosthetic is similar to a squash ball, so you can imagine it's quite heavy.
So on one side I have a false testicle hanging like a ship's anchor, while the other natural - lighter - one is in the nether regions of my stomach somewhere on several days of the week.
Like Ollie, on days where it's cold or in certain other conditions the severity of the shrinking and rising can vary. Sometimes my actual scrotum is affected as well: on some days it's nice and lax and baggy, while on other days it looks and feels like my testicles have been shrink wrapped.

Peace.
Craig

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2017, 07:51:50 PM »
Hey all, thanks for the replies.. Good to know this is all 'normal', even though it's not ideal.

Olly13, out of the 5 blood tests Ive taken to get where I am, estradiol hasn't ever been checked..
(I had gynecomastia as a youngster but got surgery privately 11 years ago for that BTW)

Is estradiol something I should ask to be checked.. Is  my consultant likely to listen or should I just go and get it checked privately (even though there's no sensitive test around ATM, I don't think)

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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 12:21:47 PM »
In an ideal world TRT monitoring would include an oestrogen check at least once per year. Nevertheless, if your testosterone levels are otherwise normal and you're not experiencing any symptoms that could be due to high oestrogen then there's no real need for regular oestrogen testing.

Your situation is a little different since you had gynecomastia as a youngster. In your case I would want to have my oestrogen checked par-for-the-course due to medical history.

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Craig 

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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2017, 08:51:52 PM »
Same here too. I had testicular cancer and a prosthetic testicle. The texture of the prosthetic is similar to a squash ball, so you can imagine it's quite heavy.
So on one side I have a false testicle hanging like a ship's anchor, while the other natural - lighter - one is in the nether regions of my stomach somewhere on several days of the week.
Like Ollie, on days where it's cold or in certain other conditions the severity of the shrinking and rising can vary. Sometimes my actual scrotum is affected as well: on some days it's nice and lax and baggy, while on other days it looks and feels like my testicles have been shrink wrapped.

Peace.
Craig

Haha, the image I've got right now is not a pleasant one!

If it's any consolation, my mother had breast cancer about 16 years ago, she chose to have reconstruction on the affected side, now she's got older and hit "that age" she's ended up with a similarly "uneven" problem from what I've gathered, cancer is not very good, it never seems to stop giving naff little reminders to a survivor.

Hey all, thanks for the replies.. Good to know this is all 'normal', even though it's not ideal.

Olly13, out of the 5 blood tests Ive taken to get where I am, estradiol hasn't ever been checked..
(I had gynecomastia as a youngster but got surgery privately 11 years ago for that BTW)

Is estradiol something I should ask to be checked.. Is  my consultant likely to listen or should I just go and get it checked privately (even though there's no sensitive test around ATM, I don't think)

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As Craig said, get e2 tested, at least yearly in my opinion (I check yearly now), I once read high oestradiol can sometimes cause even smaller Testicles, don't know if there is much truth to that but I've heard it enough that's for sure, if I find any literature on it I'll post it on here.

What are you're testosterone levels like on the sustanon at every 3 weeks?

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 03:33:41 PM »
Hi guys.

Doing a quick Google I've found quite an interesting article about the relationship between oestrogen and testes size. Seems there's definitely a proven negative correlation between the two.
The article itself features links to study abstracts references.
http://bignaturaltesticles.com/high-estrogen-levels-and-small-shrunken-testicles/

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 03:51:21 PM »
Hi guys.

Doing a quick Google I've found quite an interesting article about the relationship between oestrogen and testes size. Seems there's definitely a proven negative correlation between the two.
The article itself features links to study abstracts references.
http://bignaturaltesticles.com/high-estrogen-levels-and-small-shrunken-testicles/

Thanks for the reference Craig, article is exactly what I'm referring to. :D

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2017, 09:30:18 PM »
Haha, the image I've got right now is not a pleasant one!

If it's any consolation, my mother had breast cancer about 16 years ago, she chose to have reconstruction on the affected side, now she's got older and hit "that age" she's ended up with a similarly "uneven" problem from what I've gathered, cancer is not very good, it never seems to stop giving naff little reminders to a survivor.

As Craig said, get e2 tested, at least yearly in my opinion (I check yearly now), I once read high oestradiol can sometimes cause even smaller Testicles, don't know if there is much truth to that but I've heard it enough that's for sure, if I find any literature on it I'll post it on here.

What are you're testosterone levels like on the sustanon at every 3 weeks?

:)
Thanks for the replies.
I guess I'll have to see what my NHS consultant decides. But maybe I'll just get an E2 test my self(even though I don't think there is a sensitive option in the UK. Medicheck only goes to 18.4 pmol/L)

I've got my 1st 6 month check up in December. And I've not had any blood tests done since being on TRT, so I've no idea what my levels are. :-/
But pre TRT I varied from:
8.2, 7.0, 10.6, 9.8 nmol/L (237, 202, 306, 283 ng/dl)

I do feel better in some ways, but can't say I feel 'amazing'.
TBH, I'm not sure what to expect overall?

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2017, 12:33:44 PM »
Glad to have saved you some time there Ollie!

Doran, I wouldn't expect anything miraculous on three-weekly dosing. I started Sustanon 250 on a four-week cycle back in 2002 when monthly shots were standard fare. After three years of feeling like my GP agreed to increase the frequency to every 21-days but even then I felt flagged out after 11 days or so.

For the last four or five years I've self-administered my own injections and go by how I'm feeling. When you've been on Sustanon for as long as I have you get to recognise when your levels are falling low. From personal experience I've come to notice that I need to redose between 12 and 16 days after the previous injection.

The last blood test I had was about two years ago. The results were just over 11nmols/L - so not particularly brilliant 14 days after injection. It did pretty much confirm my earlier suspicions that every three weeks was too little, and so I felt justified in administering every two-weeks. I don't advise anyone else do the same, however. The advice of the forum is always to follow the treatment your GP has in place for you.

If your appointment is about 10 to 14 days after your last Sustanon dose you and the doctor will get a fair idea of whether or not your dose needs adjusting.

Regarding the small testicles? The only proven solution to work in a majority of men to increase testicular size on therapy is HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin). Doctors can prescribe this but only usually in isolated cases where a patient wishes to father a child at some point. Reason being, HCG helps preserve male fertility. In rare instances HCG may be considered for males whose mental wellness is affected by the shrinkage of the testicles. However, you're going to need a very sympathetic doctor to entertain the idea on this one.

Good luck with the appointment!
Craig

 

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2017, 04:50:57 PM »
Craig, thanks for the reply...
(Just curious are you in the UK too?)

It seems you're totally doing what I am thinking I may have to do too. 'Self administrating'. which isn't ideal, is it?

Even regarding the HCG, it seems that if I felt it necessary, the doc may not. So maybe self administer that too? Oh, but wait, that increases e2.. Which means an AI... Which will need self administering. :-/
I'm starting to feel it's all a  bit of a palava.

Can I ask.. Are you on HCG?

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2017, 08:01:59 PM »
I was born with, and carried until 21, a bollock up inside me and even now, 20 years later, the other (good one) rides up there all the time. It's no big deal unless you're entering some kind of big balls competition. I'd say a functioning winkle is of far more importance!

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2017, 12:04:48 PM »
First off...Stripey's on the money. A functioning penis is more important than a big set of plums.

Yes, Doran, I'm in the UK. I live in a market town ten minutes from Stoke-on-Trent (North Midlands).

I experienced many problems before I self-administered. The main one was getting a GP/Nurse slot when I needed it. Most of the time my injection ended up being delayed by a few days to even several weeks on one occasion, simply due to lack of available appointments at the GP surgery. I weighed up the pro's and con's and arrived at the conclusion that regular shots by myself would be better for my health and wellness than riding with the haphazard approach from the doctors' surgery.

If you've got a good relationship with your local clinic and GP/Nurses then mentioning the option of self-managing your injections is there. However, if you're not suffering any detriment by going to the doctors, and your shots are being done on time and regularly, then there's little point in asking to self-manage. Self-injecting "is ideal" depending on the circumstances. In my experience the change to DIYing was a great one. However, if all else is/was good then "no, it's not ideal" and certainly not something I'd advocate.

Regarding the HGI? Well, you've basically answered your own question. Using HCG for the sole purpose of maintaining your testicle size could prove highly detrimental. HCG will no doubt increase your levels of testosterone, which will, in turn, increase oestrogen production. HCG by itself increases the availability and production of aromatising enzyme directly, so you'll have a double oestrogen issue to contend with. As you say, this will, therefore, require an AI to counter the effects of oestrogen. To add to all that HCG can stimulate the growth of female breast tissue in sensitive individuals, bring on unwanted cases of gynecomastia. Not good!

I'd suggest what we've discussed: speak with your specialist about the results. My view is your frequency should be increased to fortnightly shots because your levels recorded are quite low in the results laid out above. I would also discuss the possibility of a bi-annual or annual oestrogen check as part of your monitoring just to ensure things are stable. Most of your consultation will probably be based on a blood test they will conduct at the beginning of the consultation, so be prepared for the unexpected, like low oestrogen and higher than normal testosterone. If this happens, ask what the active component level is (free testosterone/bioavailable testosterone).

All the best.
Craig

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