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simon

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anyone on Tostran gel?
« on: July 16, 2012, 02:06:11 PM »
Ive been using this stuff on & off for a few years now & find if I have time to let it dry ( say at least 30 minutes) My T levels do rise. However Ive found unless I do leave it to dry for this time then my clothing rubs it all off & I get very little increase.
has anyone else experienced this?
Another annoying effect of this is it seems to make hair grow all over my body especially at the application site! This is despite being marketed as a systemic treatment!

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Re: anyone on Tostran gel?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 06:54:15 PM »
yeah i am on it... 4 days now... mine is 2 % and i am supposed to put it on my inner thigh where there are no hairs.
any advice about where is best to put it on ?  I feel no difference at the moment.. how long till i might feel some libido again ??

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Re: anyone on Tostran gel?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 10:30:36 PM »
Well, I was prescribed Tostran but it is not available where I live so the pharmacy just made up a 2% gel for me. (The endo expected me to drive to Holland to collect it.) I used the Tostran recommendation of applying 3g per day to the inner thighs but found that it did nothing for me. I then asked my doctor to prescribe 5% gel and I started applying 4g per day to shoulders, upper arms and flancs.
That was of partial benefit but I then decided to add 1g to the scrotum. That was very effective but gave me perineal discomfort so I have stopped using it there. I'm now waiting for blood test results to see if I can determine what to do next.
My doctor is very co-operative with prescribing but openly admits that he knows nothing about TRT. I am his only patient on TRT. Consequently, I'm guiding him with regard to which blood tests I need and prescribing T-gel, Pregnyl and Arimidex or Aromasin. I've made good progress in the last couple of months but I don't yet feel completely right.
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simon

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Re: anyone on Tostran gel?
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 10:53:47 PM »
[quote author=slimspider link=topic=26.msg149#msg149 date=1342461255]
yeah i am on it... 4 days now... mine is 2 % and i am supposed to put it on my inner thigh where there are no hairs.
any advice about where is best to put it on ?  I feel no difference at the moment.. how long till i might feel some libido again ??
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I think you will have to give it a lot longer than 4 days! Probably 4 weeks before it will increase your libido! This stuff is only 2% after all!  I dont see how it can make any difference where you apply it because its "supposed" to be systemic - ie it goes into your whole system & ha s a whole body effect not a local effect. I say "supposed" because I am finding it does indeed have a localised effet in that it makes hair grow there!
However I also have found - If it is allowed to dry & be absorbed, then it does indeed have a useful effect!
what would be ideal would be a much stronger gel - say 30% that dried very quickly.

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Re: anyone on Tostran gel?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 10:42:01 AM »
I agree with Simon, that the 2% cream/gel does not seem strong enough and that's why I increased mine to 5%. I'm still not sure that this is strong enough. I should have my blood test results today or tomorrow so will be able to see what my Total T level now is. It is widely stated that you only absorb about 10% of the T-gel applied to the skin so that in itself suggests inadequacy of the commercially available gels at 1% or 2%. The strongest one I know of if the Australian AndroForte at 5% and they recommend using it on the scrotum.
On the other hand, there must be a saturation limit to the strength that can reasonably be compounded before it starts to be unpleasant to apply.

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 06:00:10 PM »
i think i will also try this on the scrotum to see if it has more effect...  3 weeks now and no difference... mine dries almost immeditely though ?  i have tried it on upper inner arms where no hair but still no effect...  i was told to apply 4 times a day with two squirts of the gel... i cant always remember though ... but nick sent me a link to the actual application instuctions which says once a day in morning.. so trying that now... i want my libido back !!

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Re: anyone on Tostran gel?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 07:24:39 PM »
[quote author=slimspider link=topic=26.msg182#msg182 date=1343926810]
i think i will also try this on the scrotum to see if it has more effect...  3 weeks now and no difference... mine dries almost immeditely though ?  i have tried it on upper inner arms where no hair but still no effect...  i was told to apply 4 times a day with two squirts of the gel... i cant always remember though ... but nick sent me a link to the actual application instuctions which says once a day in morning.. so trying that now... i want my libido back !!
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I know how you feel. We are all trying to get our libido back. Mine is all over the place. I get it back and then it disappears again without changing anything.
I have read some more on scrotum application since my last post and it does seem to have a lot of merit. On the other hand, dependent on your own endocrine system, it can convert to DHT or E2 more easily when applied there.
In my case, I find that the 5% gel causes testicular ache that comes on about an hour after early morning application and lasts through the day. Consequently, I am going to try the 2% gel and see how that goes.
I have now started on subq injections of Sustanon 250 and the scrotal gel application is just suplementing that.

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2012, 11:48:45 PM »
I was on Testogel for a couple of years and I made some posts here about my experiences with it.
I was on 50mg a day and I felt that somehow I absorbed it too quickly, i.e. I would get a rush about 4 hours after application, then deflate so to speak as the day went on.
I recently saw my endo, and after some ridiculous conversations, he eventually put me on Tostran.
I have been on it about 3 weeks now (60mg - the standard dose) and I feel much better !
The downside is it does not dry nearly as fast as testogel - takes at least half an hour wherea testogel was more or less instant. But I feel much better throughout the day (and night). To put it bluntly, I can get erect at night times now whereas on testogel it was hit and miss.
I read somewhere that adding aloe vera from the chemists / supermarket makes it dry quicker.
To be honest if that works I would say its the best gel.
However, its apparent that everyone metabolises these gels differently and what may be good for me may not be for others.

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Re: anyone on Tostran gel?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2012, 06:40:38 PM »
Ive tried the Aloe Vera gel idea & yes it does help it dry a bit faster. However this kind of defeats the purpose of having a 2% gel as opposed to a 1% ( testogel) as you will then end up with the same total amount of goo!
Another idea Ive read about ( mainly on bodybuilding forums!) is to mix your fav T gel with DMSO gel which is a penetration enhancer so the theory would be you will need less T gel to get the same amount of testoterone into your body. make sense?

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2012, 08:13:36 PM »
[quote author=simon link=topic=26.msg259#msg259 date=1347644438]
Ive tried the Aloe Vera gel idea & yes it does help it dry a bit faster. However this kind of defeats the purpose of having a 2% gel as opposed to a 1% ( testogel) as you will then end up with the same total amount of goo!
Another idea Ive read about ( mainly on bodybuilding forums!) is to mix your fav T gel with DMSO gel which is a penetration enhancer so the theory would be you will need less T gel to get the same amount of testoterone into your body. make sense?
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I understand, and yes it makes sense. But I think elsewhere on this forum someone points out the dangers - i.e. you may accidentaly absorb other chemicals (anti-perspirant ? Detergent on clothes ?).
also how do you find the right ratio of gel to DMSO...?

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2012, 03:44:08 PM »
I think gels would be the gold standard for treatment IF only they would make the bloody things 5% or 10% with an applicator.  Most of the complaints come from the time, mess and goo that application involves.  A nice 5% gel would only require a tiny amount to be dabbed on and could be dry rapidly.

Unless there is some medical reason why this cannot work (perhaps the skin can only absorb so much medication per cm2 or something?) I don't understand why it hasn't already been done.

I found Tostran to be even more sticky than Testim but actually weaker than Testogel (I would rate Testim as the one that bumps my levels up best).  Only advantage to Tostran is that it comes in a nice discreet little pump canister which does make it less fiddly than opening tubes of Testim.

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Re: anyone on Tostran gel?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2013, 09:02:06 AM »
Hi all,

I am afraid you all have it wrong - I am KS and have no choice other than to take Testosterone replacement therapy in one form or another.  Tostran has to build up over 3 months on a pyramid dose basis.

I was on Testogel for 10 years but then it failed.

I was put on Tostran in February commencing with one dose a day for 7 days then 2 per day per week then 3 per day per week then 4 per day per week and then 5 per day per week for 3 months. 

Side effects can be nasty.

I find the Tostran delivery system inefficient and prefer an alternative not using a pump.

Thanks for your time.